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	<title>Comments on: Snark and snark, what is snark?</title>
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		<title>by: Jemima</title>
		<link>http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/wordpress/2002/12/04/snark-and-snark-what-is-snark/#comment-185</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Everyone talks about Trek diversity and IDIC, but I can't think of any good thematic use it was put to, besides the half-black/half-white dudes of TOS.

There's certainly theme potential in Spock/Data/Odo/EMH/Seven/T'Pol discovering their fundamental humanity, but it was more often a plot device beaten to death than a theme developed over the course of a series.  The Borg were also overdone, making them both less of an intentional theme than a weekly writing cop-out.

Or I'm just pessimistic that way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone talks about Trek diversity and IDIC, but I can&#8217;t think of any good thematic use it was put to, besides the half-black/half-white dudes of TOS.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s certainly theme potential in Spock/Data/Odo/EMH/Seven/T&#8217;Pol discovering their fundamental humanity, but it was more often a plot device beaten to death than a theme developed over the course of a series.  The Borg were also overdone, making them both less of an intentional theme than a weekly writing cop-out.</p>
<p>Or I&#8217;m just pessimistic that way.
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		<title>by: Jintian</title>
		<link>http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/wordpress/2002/12/04/snark-and-snark-what-is-snark/#comment-184</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2002 03:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How about just the basic theme of embracing diversity, both in terms of species and cultures?  Or if you want to be more specific, individuality versus the Borg collective (aka wanting-everybody-to-be-like-us)?  Data trying to figure out what it means to be human?  And I thought VOY had this whole thing about the Prime Directive?
 
Admittedly, I haven't seen every single episode of these shows (that's why I bought a full set of TNG and am watching them now), but I seem to recall that these issues did keep recurring.  Which, to me, reads as intentional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just the basic theme of embracing diversity, both in terms of species and cultures?  Or if you want to be more specific, individuality versus the Borg collective (aka wanting-everybody-to-be-like-us)?  Data trying to figure out what it means to be human?  And I thought VOY had this whole thing about the Prime Directive?</p>
<p>Admittedly, I haven&#8217;t seen every single episode of these shows (that&#8217;s why I bought a full set of TNG and am watching them now), but I seem to recall that these issues did keep recurring.  Which, to me, reads as intentional.
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		<title>by: Jemima</title>
		<link>http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/wordpress/2002/12/04/snark-and-snark-what-is-snark/#comment-183</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was thinking of TOS and VOY, but themes still don't leap to mind when I think of TNG.  Stolen TOS plots, bad acting, and unsympathetic characters, maybe, but not themes.

A cool sci-fi concept is not in and of itself a theme - so Q's trial of humanity was more of an idea tossed out there for the fans to expand in their own minds (a typical approach in  sci-fi) than the sort of underlying thread of feeling that makes a literary theme.  I can't think of anything in TNG that compares to, say, Spike draped over a cross for foreshadowing (see MustangSally) or the Glory arc for continuity.  DS9 may have had themes, but I agree with Liz that the rest of Trek has them unintentionally, if at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of TOS and VOY, but themes still don&#8217;t leap to mind when I think of TNG.  Stolen TOS plots, bad acting, and unsympathetic characters, maybe, but not themes.</p>
<p>A cool sci-fi concept is not in and of itself a theme - so Q&#8217;s trial of humanity was more of an idea tossed out there for the fans to expand in their own minds (a typical approach in  sci-fi) than the sort of underlying thread of feeling that makes a literary theme.  I can&#8217;t think of anything in TNG that compares to, say, Spike draped over a cross for foreshadowing (see MustangSally) or the Glory arc for continuity.  DS9 may have had themes, but I agree with Liz that the rest of Trek has them unintentionally, if at all.
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		<title>by: LizB</title>
		<link>http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/wordpress/2002/12/04/snark-and-snark-what-is-snark/#comment-182</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You know, I think you're both right.  Trek has themes, but they rarely ever seem intentional -- even when interviews with TPTB reveal that they were planned all along.  

Look at Voyager, a show which set itself up as having very limited arcs.  Despite the fact that I know TPTB disliked most elaborate forms of continuity, themes or arc-concepts, I still see season 5 as Janeway's descent.  It started with her depression in "Night".  Contrary to canon, I don't see her as having fully recovered from that until the catharsis of "Equinox 2".  The fact that said catharsis involved basically torturing a Starfleet officer only makes Janeway's darkness more interesting to me.

(Interesting enough that I basically gave up on the show shortly after she returned to her perky norm.)

That's a theme, but I don't believe it was there by plan or intention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think you&#8217;re both right.  Trek has themes, but they rarely ever seem intentional &#8212; even when interviews with TPTB reveal that they were planned all along.  </p>
<p>Look at Voyager, a show which set itself up as having very limited arcs.  Despite the fact that I know TPTB disliked most elaborate forms of continuity, themes or arc-concepts, I still see season 5 as Janeway&#8217;s descent.  It started with her depression in &#8220;Night&#8221;.  Contrary to canon, I don&#8217;t see her as having fully recovered from that until the catharsis of &#8220;Equinox 2&#8243;.  The fact that said catharsis involved basically torturing a Starfleet officer only makes Janeway&#8217;s darkness more interesting to me.</p>
<p>(Interesting enough that I basically gave up on the show shortly after she returned to her perky norm.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a theme, but I don&#8217;t believe it was there by plan or intention.
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		<title>by: Jintian</title>
		<link>http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/wordpress/2002/12/04/snark-and-snark-what-is-snark/#comment-181</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oy!  I disagree with you about Trek not being a themes show.  I've been blogging in my LJ about TNG the past two days, and it's all about the themes, baby.  Which begs the question, are we talking about the same show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy!  I disagree with you about Trek not being a themes show.  I&#8217;ve been blogging in my LJ about TNG the past two days, and it&#8217;s all about the themes, baby.  Which begs the question, are we talking about the same show?
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